Let's also step up as voters and elect a replacement to Carson. We don't need developers' puppets as elected city officials who, while their salaries are paid by residents tax, have the audacity to act like Carson has.

We need independent thinkers with integrity to be elected.

"I'm just bummed that now we won't be solving climate change and lowering the cost of housing in Davis."

ROFL

I wasn't equating the two arguments, just stating that there were statements in both arguments that made me go, "ah, comon' now". But that's the nature of ballot arguments. If that were all the input I had on any issue, I'd be, at best . . . confused.

You're actually right to "not forget" about Carson, but I'm just happy that DiSC lost. Somehow, the second loss is even more satisfying than the first.

At the least, Carson and the developer grossly-miscalculated how their actions would be perceived.

Hmmm.

Hmmmmmmmm . . .

Hey Davisite, what won't you publish?

The real question should be, "Hey Vanguard, what won't you censor"? Not that they censor everything, they just don't even follow their own rules and do everything on a whim and with much political bias. I'm grateful for the Davisite allowing people to express themselves and sink or swim on their own arguments.

This just seems super negative and includes personal attacks.

It is super negative. Because suing Davis citizens is super negative, and this reflects that. Personal attack? This is a public figure, and I'm criticizing their decision making abilities in the public sphere with colorful language. Nothing about personal appearance, or social personality.

I'm not interested in a part 2.

I am.

Even if I agree that I don't want a repeat of such a lawsuit ever again and I was vehemently opposed to how our council members seemed too comfortable with the developer and often parroted asinine propaganda, I still plan to live in the same town as these folks. Congratulations to the No on H campaigners.

I plan to live in the same town as these folks as well. I don't plan on being on speaking terms with all of them.

Thank you for standing up to the deep pocket developers.

I was going to vote yes. I didn't stand up to anyone, I just voted no.

I voted yes, but I'm very relieved that the Davis community seems to actually have a unified voice in terms of values and turned down this project.

You voted yes, but you are glad it went down to defeat. You sound like an independent thinker ;-)

If H would have passed I would go on to believe that money, strategy and tricks could manipulate the populace. Thank goodness that's not the case here.

Yup.

Congratulations Alan.

On what? :-|

I hope you have a great day and are very happy 😊

I'm having a lousy day, and happiness comes and goes like fog along the California coast. But thanks for the kind thoughts :-|

Aaron: "We have to live together" is a good operating philosophy, but it begs the question if Dan Carson wants to live in the same town as some of us.

There's a power imbalance which you seem to recognize by your other words in your above comments, which are very succinctly anti-DISC and anti-DISC process. I don't understand why you voted for it.

So you and many others have incisive and often critical comments both before and after the election, and yet Council member Carson's official statement about the loss is:

"“While I am disappointed by the election results, I congratulate the No on H committee on their hard-fought campaign and I accept and respect the apparent decision of Davis voters to disapprove Measure H,” Carson said.

“Looking forward, I’m hopeful that our community can come together and find common ground for building a more sustainable, welcoming, and vibrant Davis.”

Does this look like honest words from someone who pushed and pushed about a few words in election materials? Someone who earlier likely led the push to kick Matt Williams, Alan Pryor and myself off our Commissions a couple years ago? How 'bout the stuff about workers at Sutter Davis being heroes as he pleaded for the solar panel installation and tree-felling, preventing access of fire department vehicles from the City to West Village by pushing bag against a connection primarily for buses? (Also given his tendency to conversational narcissism and his former career in journalism, you'd think he'd write something a bit more educated-sounding, rather than bland and without any substance.)

This is an elected official, paid (if not really much). He has power. He is against a vibrant and welcoming Davis. People like him need to be stopped.

Did I say he is bad, that I hate him? No, I did not. If he wants to sincerely apologize to the community for his actions, I'd be happy to take it at face value.

But also is this going to be only statement by the losers?

Oops. Sorry for the confusing tone of voice I took and familiarity Alan Miller. I thought I knew you because there were two other people named Alan who were conversing regularly on H. That's why some of my remarks were off base.

Anyways, thanks for your input. Freedom of speech is important, but I guess I want to keep the Davisite thoughtful on with what kind of platform it is going to be. Admittedly I am still trying to distinguish between personal attacks and negative speech about politicians.

I plan to stay on speaking terms with everybody on both sides of the line. Even the guy who yelled at me and called me greasy at the Farmers Market for being "for H" haha. I think he thought I was being paid to stand in front of their booth (I wasn't).

Your writing was certainly entertaining and fed a primitive part of my brain that wants to see people publicly shamed so as to prevent repeat offenses down the line. I do genuinely see value in that social mechanism. Gossip is good too. So we know "hey what that guy is doing is wrong right—It's not just me?". Still I think the insults went too far. But whatever, I'm glad that folks on the Davisite help me find my values and offer me a place to defend or rethink my views or maybe regret what I said in the first place.

And I'll end with an emoji for anyone I disagree with or question. I don't want to cause a sinking feeling in their chest or get their blood pumping too fiercely 😅. I always have to take a breath before looking at the replies. Todd, your thoughtful and informed replies scare me 😁

So far with four Al's Corner's and a couple of articles, hundreds of comments (most of them mine), I have not "moderated" a single comment nor banned a single person.

The "rulez" for Al's corner is under "Al's Corner - What It Is" in the 'Pages' Section. I strive to be as consistent as inhumanly possible in enforcing these few rules. I strive primarily to be NOT inconsistent, moody, politically-biased, silent-as-to-why, not following posted rules, telling people to 'figure it out', not having new rules and not following the non-existent rules, an asshole, sell plants, etc.

However, I do need to flag one comment in these comments. I decided not to delete the comment, as if you delete something, especially without saying why, how can people know what is not acceptable? And so in the rulez it says no direct personal insults, and that leeway is given for public figures; i.e., you can insult a public figures's decision making qualities, but not their weight (i.e., their 'figure' -- go figure).

And so to the following comment:

Personally I just had to look at the smear campaign that the neo-nazi looking DA ran against Ms. Rodriguez to know he was no bueno.

My criteria for a public figure is: is the direct insult to their persona as a politician (etc.), or it to their personal persona? As I see it, if you are saying, "the neo-nazi looking DA" and that refers to a single person, it is a direct insult to their appearance, which is not a political persona trait. Therefore, I am flagging that comment. [flag]

What that means is I am pointing this out as an example of something that is not acceptable at Al's Corner. You can insult their political persona and their record from here until Sunday. Or Monday. But appearance . . . off limits.

I won't remove the comment so we'll all know what isn't cool. However, if a single person keeps doing the same thing over and over, that could lead to an actual removal of a comment. The horror! We should do an office pool on when that happens :-|

Thanks, all. This moderation thing is easy when one is consistent. ROFL